Challenger Waters debates with Sheriff Garrison
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Thursday evening was the first round of GOP debates, with Cherokee County Tax Commissioner Sonya Little arguing against Kenny Phelps and Robert Wilkie; and Sheriff Roger Garrison against challenger David Waters. Above: From left, Waters prepares his notes as Garrison gives his opening address.<br>Cherokee Tribune/Todd Hull
Thursday evening was the first round of GOP debates, with Cherokee County Tax Commissioner Sonya Little arguing against Kenny Phelps and Robert Wilkie; and Sheriff Roger Garrison against challenger David Waters. Above: From left, Waters prepares his notes as Garrison gives his opening address.
Cherokee Tribune/Todd Hull
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WOODSTOCK — Two candidates in the race for Cherokee County sheriff took part in a highly charged exchange before a packed crowd of more than 250 people at the Republican debate Thursday night.

Sheriff Roger Garrison and his opponent, David Waters, a lieutenant with the Forsyth County Sheriff’s Office, both took the opportunity to take shots at each other in a heated debate in the sweltering, crowded room.

Among the crowd was the Messina family, whose son, Andrew Messina, was shot and killed May 1 during a standoff with sheriff’s deputies.

The family was accompanied by a group of about 20 supporters who wore homemade T-shirts that read “I Am Andrew.”

The debate was the first in a series of eight such forums planned for contested races by the Cherokee County Republican Party this summer leading up to the July 31 primary and took place at Republican headquarters in Towne Lake.

“I’ve been your sheriff for the past 20 years,” Garrison said in his introduction. “I’ve spent that time protecting your families and leading the Cherokee County Sheriff’s Office to being the first nationally accredited sheriff’s office in the state of Georgia.”

Garrison said that distinction is held by less than 3 percent of law enforcement divisions nationwide.

“Tonight, we’re at a crossroads in this election,” Garrison said. “I submit to you that my opposition has spent the last 10 years running an animal control unit in Forsyth County.”

Garrison called the Forsyth County Sheriff’s Office “troubled,” pointing out its budgetary and personnel issues and alluded to Waters’ several positions within the department.

“He’s held them but he hasn’t been able to hold on to them,” Garrison said.

But Waters said the sheriff has never had to go through an administration change.

“During an administration change, when you’re at the top … you will be reassigned,” Waters said.

In his opening, Waters said Cherokee County has seen a 28 percent increase in crime from 2008 to 2010.

“This is not effective law enforcement,” Waters said, adding he would reorganize departments to keep costs low for Cherokee taxpayers while making the department more efficient.

Garrison said he has kept the crime rate in the county low, despite the boom in population over recent years.

“We have over 220,000 people (in the county),” Garrison said. “Over the past 20 years, we’ve seen that population double from 90,000.”

Waters also acknowledged the Messina family and the teen’s supporters several times throughout the debate.

“My heart is with the family and the loved ones of Andrew Messina,” Waters said to applause.

As for his qualifications, Waters said he has attended all supervision, management, and executive management classes in Georgia as well as the “National Police Academy.”

Garrison said he would like to know what the “National Police Academy” is, and Waters clarified by saying he attended the Southern Police Institute at the University of Louisville, not the FBI Academy, one of two “national police academies,” he said.

“There is only one national academy, it’s the FBI National Academy,” Garrison said.

An audience member asked Waters how the experience gained from his Forsyth County position would prepare him to be sheriff.

“First off all, I want to clarify, I am not a dog catcher,” Waters said. “I work for special operations.”

Waters said his duties include supporting investigations and working crime scenes.

“My experience would be the entire agency,” Waters said. “I’ve commanded criminal investigations, uniform patrols, internal affairs … almost every entity within the sheriff’s office.”

Garrison told Waters he needs to correct his department’s website, because it apparently does not list some of the tasks he performs.

“It doesn’t say anything about crime scene processing,” Garrison said. “I’m just trying to get to the bottom of whatever it is you do in Forsyth County. You’re trying to convince these voters you want to be sheriff and your website says that for the past 10 years you’ve been in charge of animal control.”

One of Waters’ new ideas for the department is introducing what he referred to as school resource officer programs. Waters said it would be a support to campus police that “puts deputies inside the classrooms” to educate students.

“Campus police basically patrol the hallway, the parking lots, those kind of things,” Waters said. “We teach why you don’t text while you’re driving, why you don’t buy alcohol when you’re under the age of 21.”

Garrison said those concepts are already being taught in district schools and that Waters was not giving school police due credit.

“The county school police and the sheriff train extensively about working with and about dealing with active shooters,” Garrison said. “(School police) do an excellent job working in the school and we already do everything that you’re talking about.”

An audience member addressed the Messina killing, asking whether either candidate would have done anything differently and what can be done going forward to heal any hurt in the community.

Waters answered first, saying he would not have had negotiators standing at the doorway when trying to communicate with Messina. The teen reportedly never engaged in communications with officers who were about 10 feet away from the doorway, according to police.

“You don’t go face-to-face with somebody with a handgun,” Waters said. “We will not allow negotiations at the front door.”

Waters said the situation should have never gotten to that point and law enforcement should have backed off.

“The best thing in a negotiator’s toolbox is time,” Waters said. “From everything we’ve heard … time (was) on our side. There was no threat inside.”

Garrison said the chain of events unfolded quickly and his officers were doing everything they could possibly do to save Messina’s life, putting themselves in harm’s way throughout the ordeal.

“We’ve all put ourselves in harm’s way in a time when, looking back, it probably wasn’t the best decision in the world,” Garrison said. “But (deputies) thought that they were in the process of building a rapport with that young man. They had no idea … they didn’t have a crystal ball … to see how things were going to go down.”

“It’s easy to say, ‘Why didn’t we just back off?’” Garrison said. “If we just backed off we’d be sitting here today saying, ‘Why didn’t we do something?’”

Garrison said he has met with the family and has a lot of compassion for their situation, saying he knew if the situation were reversed, he would feel the way they do.

“But I assure you, those police officers did everything that they could possibly do to avoid that situation ending up the way it did. It’s police work, it’s not always pretty.”

When the two candidates were allowed to ask each other questions, both took shots at each other’s quality of character.

Garrison said since Sept. 11, 2001, more than 6,000 soldiers have lost their lives fighting to protect freedoms — primarily the freedom of the right to vote.

“Why then, did you not see fit to register to vote until 2008 when you decided you wanted to run for sheriff and then only vote three times?” Garrison asked.

Waters said he has voted more than that, however, his voter history documented by the Georgia Secretary of State said he has voted a total of five times, beginning in 2008.

“When you’re a commander with a law enforcement agency and you’re responsible for 15-plus troops, it’s hard for you to take off and go vote,” Waters said. “My troops were important and I didn’t abandon my troops.”

Garrison’s voter registration record said he has voted 31 times since 1994 when records were electronically collected.

But Waters said he does believe in everyone’s right to vote and that it is a choice.

“It’s my right to vote and it’s my right not to vote,” Waters said. “I made a choice and I still think the choice is the best.”

Waters also took a freedom of speech hit against Garrison, asking why on Jan. 13 he called Waters’ sheriff when Waters and Chief Deputy Robbie Hamrick came to a meeting of the Grassroots Conservatives of Cherokee County.

Garrison said Hamrick works at the pleasure of the sheriff of Forsyth County.

“I think it’s improper that he is sending his command staff personnel over to campaign against a sitting sheriff and I told him that if my chief deputy were over in Forsyth County undermining his administration, I would fire him,” Garrison said. “That’s why Forsyth County Sheriff’s Office is in such shambles.”

“Such shambles? This man don’t work for you. He works for (Sheriff) Ted Paxton,” Waters said, pointing to Paxton who was in attendance in support of Waters. “He doesn’t have a problem with it.”
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NeedBetterDebate
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July 21, 2012
Sheriff Garrison really should have asked better questions in the debate. One question might have been since Mr. Waters is a ranking officer in Forsyth County over special operations, including the DUI task force, how can he own and profit from the DUI school that the courts mandate as an alternative to jail. Does he provide the services for free or do he and his wife profit from the number of people who get DUI's? And do the subordinate officers to Mr. Waters teach in the school?
BaffledbySupport
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July 21, 2012
I am astonished at the hypocrisy of David Waters making accusations about the 1st amendment. In the last 7 years, 2 citizens of Forsyth county were awarded 7 million dollars by a jury because they were able to prove Mr Waters and the Sheriff Dennis Hendrix reatliated against their support for a referendum by trying to obtain warrants without cause, issuing improper citations, pulling them over and improperly accessing their data in government databases. The only defense in the legal documents from Mr. waters is that he should be immune from the trial because he was doing his job.

Is this really going to be our new sheriff? I would like to hear the justification for this and how this "saved" the taxpayers. The case can be googled and the defendents were Danny Bennett and Danny Reid in Forsyth County Georgia. I really look at his supporters in amazement and wonder what kind of people could support this. What are they getting out of it?
True Facts
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June 12, 2012
Barney or Andy never did shoot and kill anybody. That is the kind of care, concern, and leadership we need. Go David Waters!!!!
Kara Martin
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June 08, 2012
I missed this debate sadly. This coming election has sparked many emotions for candidates in all areas, sheriff, school board, senate. To me this is screaming - Cherokee cty and Ga need a change. I have 2 young children and their safety is one of my concerns. I am on the fence regarding sheriff. Since I missed the debate- I would love to know the answers or get answers from the candidates on the following questions:

- What is your stance on cyber bullying and what solutions do you have on cracking down on this growing issue?

- In Cherokee Cty the Jorelys Rivera case has touched many people. Are childrens safety is in jeopardy. What would you do to help protect teh youth of this county?

- If elected Sheriff in the election what are 2 issue that you feel need to be addressed immediately? How would you help to solve those issues?
True Facts
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June 13, 2012
Come to the 2nd. debate on June 21st. 6:30, at Cagle's Dairy.
Rizo
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June 05, 2012
We should all be willing to take a look at the county's budget and finances. finances
onehappymama
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June 12, 2012
We need to look and ask why there is always a cop car not in operation parked at different locations such as the old drivers license office & Salocoa fire dept(this was one of the new cars that had not been moved in several weeks cause the grass was growing up all around it). Taxpayers money going to waste!!
Concerned Voter
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June 05, 2012
I believe it is time for a change in Cherokee County. Remember fellow voters...there is something called "open records" if you want to see what positions each opponate has had or currently has with the county they are employed with.
Roko
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June 04, 2012
Let's don't impune these gentlemen's backgrounds. Whether a Game Warden or Animal Control Officer they are both worthy and neccessary jobs.
sloppycop911
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June 03, 2012
It must run in the family because David's brother Ray was a dogcatcher to. If you wonder why David left Cherokee in the first place it was because he couldn't be trusted, even by his fellow officers. And if you can't trust a fellow police officer, you are in trouble.
Onehappymama
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June 11, 2012
Speaking of trust (sloppycop911), what about trusting the cops to help your 16 year old child and then in return he ends up dead. This needs to be investigated by the GBI just like the Jorely case was handled.
Bradleycook
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July 25, 2012
In regards to "Onehappymama"'s comment about cars sitting at random places empty. That would be a Shift car, which is sitting there so that the officer driving that car on the next shift can use that aas a meeting spot before actually driving the squad car. This in itself is a huge way the government saves our tax dollars. By having a squad car sit there, that allows the police officer to drive there and pick up the car instead of driving the car all the way home. Anybody with basic knowledge, or any intelligence at all can do this math. By the officer not driving the car home everyday he saves gas, which the government pays for, which is obviously a way of saving tax dollars. The government may waste tax dollars in different situations, however, this is one way it is saving money! Sheriff Garrison is doing a great job at leading this county, no matter how much the incline is on crime, he is handling it to the best of his abilities, and as best anyone else could. Our nation is by no means PERFECT, which is why we have crime rates increasing so much.

Vote Garrison!!
Real Voter Cherokee
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June 03, 2012
I too attended this debate....David Waters simply demonstrated publicly he is not ready to be a Leader in any Sheriffs Dept much less the Sheriff. His use of the Messina incident for nothing more than political purposes was absolutely sickening. It demonstrates his lack of tactical background, understanding of police work, and spewing off without any credible officials reports since the investigation has not been completed, nor Waters there. The mere fact he has not voted until 2008 and that he has no clue what the Southern Police Insitute is, since he called it a National Police Adcademy. And to brag about an endorsement of the Cobb FOP when, Thank God the Cobb FOP is in Cobb, is a JOKE! Keep that bunch of radicals down in Cobb. If Cherokee County votes for Waters you might as well be voting for Barney Phife!
Nick Messina
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June 03, 2012
Dave Waters did not "use" Messina,; he recognized the family's presence. Unlike Garrison, Dave Waters realizes that this situation, along with other issues like the department's handling of the little girls death in Canton ARE the issues that need to be addressed.To not admit that the department needs to look at their procedures after the outcome of these incidents is vain and arrogant. These are traits that might work for a game warden, but not a Sheriff.
Bill_4839
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June 04, 2012
Mr. Messina,

May God bless you and your family and give you strength. I appreciate the courage it took for you to be there. Since the incumbent has said there is nothing he would do differently, I pray that the citizens will replace him so another family doesn't have to deal with what you and your family is going through.
Anonymous One
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June 04, 2012
Totally agree Nick! My husband and I have discussed how that situation could have been handled differently, and he is part of the team that was out there that night. He is even bold enough to say things could have been done differently and agrees time was on their side and it was a bad call. It is extremely vain and arrogant to say nothing needed to be changed, especially when a life could be spared in the future.

Real Voter Cherokee- if you were there, you would know that question was posed by a member of the audience, not by Mr. Waters. And furthermore, who are you to say he MUST enforce his right to vote? Just as he said- it's his right to do so just as it's his right to not do so. The United States says it's my right to have an abortion- but I have the choice not to and I choose not to. I think that's pretty petty- the one question you get for your opponent and your primary concern is his voting record, REALLY? How petty!

And FOP is about as much of a joke as bragging about being a Nationally Accredited Agency. Basically, the sheriff's office PAYS $150,000 for some organization to tell them what rules they have to have and to babysit them, making sure they are following them. That's something to be proud of paying- a babysitter to make sure you're running your agency properly! I'd much rather have a leader who doesn't need a babysitter (not saying whether or not that is David) and use that $150K to employing 5 additional deputies to keep me safe!!
Voting citizen
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June 02, 2012
I attended this debate
Nick Messina
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June 02, 2012
The negotiators were in telephone contact with my son up until a few minutes before the shooting. At no time were any police or citizens in danger until the police decided to approach the front door. It would be wise to get your facts straight before you print them in your paper. thank you.
Anonymous One
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June 03, 2012
Mr. Messina- I send my condolences to you and your family. I pray for God's strength and peace.
CHICKS RULE!
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June 02, 2012
Cherokee County - Do you really want to go back to the days of Sheriff John Seay?!!
Anonymous One
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June 03, 2012
I wasn't around for John Seay, but I know anything would be better than what we have now. Roger showed how little in touch he is with his deputies. Unfortunately, I know not many law enforcement officers who support Roger, unless they're wearing a brass badge, and I know A LOT of officers! Roger is so out of touch with his officers, he probably doesn't even know who works in which precinct. It's really sad. Cherokee needs a change for sure. The positives to keeping Roger- none. The positives to changing Sheriffs- higher moral which means better service to the citizens! Roger thinks moral is built on money. NO! It's built on knowing your leader has heart- something Roger hasn't shown in years!
anonymous
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June 02, 2012
David Waters use of the Messina incident as a political crutch shows a lack of Honor. Mr. Waters you should be ashamed of yourself. I am sure your family is embarrassed. That was not the time nor place to arm chair quarterback.
Bill_4839
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June 03, 2012
David Waters didn't use the Messina family. The Messina family was there to remind the community about how their son's life was taken as a result of the failed policies of the incumbent Sheriff and how, but for the grace of God, it could have been their son who was callously shot to death.
Anonymous One
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June 03, 2012
Anonymous- were you there, at the debate? If you were, you would know the situation wasn't brought up by David, it was brought up by an audience question.And the moderator even said he received 8-10 questions but they were only going to do one. So if you want to give shame, tell your neighbors and the people who were there that they should be ashamed they asked! The only thing David did was acknowledge the presence of the Messina family, which to me was very professional and compassionate. Roger didn't even stick around after the debate to shake their hands- matter of fact, he didn't stick around to shake anyone's hand or answer any additional questions which shows me the lack of care for voters or even his supporters. I would have expected him to at least stay and tell his supporters "thanks for coming" but he wasn't even appreciative of that!

It's politics. Just like in the elections for president, Bush was attacked for his handling of 9/11. But Garrison was wrong for saying "I wouldn't have changed anything"! Shame on him! To me, he's saying "It turned out like it did and I'm not ashamed or upset because if I could do it over again, I'd have watched him get shot again." I'm not ashamed to be a David supporter and he's not ashamed either. Nor is his family.
A Concerned CC Chick
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June 02, 2012
If David Waters is elected Sheriff, Cherokee County will revert back 20 years to the previous regime of sheriff. Do you REALLY want a dog catcher for your next sheriff?!?!?!
Anonymous One
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June 03, 2012
Concerned CC Chick-

I have reviewed Forsyth's website and I'm unable to see where it says David is a "dog catcher"?

Also, maybe you should review your current sheriff's record PRIOR to being the Sheriff of Cherokee County. He worked in DNR- he had little experience of being a supervisor! 8 years ago, I stood behind Roger and supported him. But he's changed. He's greedy now. He's not worried about the citizens or even his own troops anymore. He wants to win because he wants the power. Here's an idea- go to your local precinct and ask them when Roger was in their precinct last. Or better yet, ask a normal citizen if they can call Roger and get in touch with him when it's not election year. OR even better- look at his website and see how he wants you to contact him- by email. He doesn't want to be bothered with you. He doesn't care. But David Waters has his cell and home numbers on his card and website and I know for a fact I can call him at 2pm or 2am and he'll answer. Our current sheriff could care less, even in an election year, yet his challenger does. What does that say about their morale and concern and character. If Roger cared about the Sheriff's Office or his deputies or their morale, I'd vote for him, but he doesn't. He cares about Roger.
onehappymama
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June 12, 2012
Dog Catcher?? Get your facts straight!!! Roger Garrison was a Game Warden prior to his current position. At least David Waters does have a background and currently is working in the field unlike Garrison did.
Bill_4839
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June 02, 2012
When a career politician has nothing positive to point to in his own record, he goes on a personal attack against his opponent. That is exactly what Garrison did during Thursday's debate. His conduct was so rude and demeaning toward David Waters, it was disgusting.

Waters is right. The crime rate has increased by 28 percent. The sheriff has consistently overspent his budget and there have been two heartbreaking tragedies involving the death of young people in the last year.

In the most recent case of Andrew Messina, the sheriff first said there was nothing he would have done differently. Oh really? Then you would always send a negotiator to talk face-to-face with an armed gunman?

Garrison has completely lost touch with reality and it's time for Cherokee County to take a new direction.

When you vote on July 31, please remember the Messina family and vote for Waters.
WakeUpRuStpd
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June 03, 2012
@Bill-4839. Come on. You people screaming about the deranged armed gunman need to make up your mind. Was he "only" a child or was he an armed gunman?? That one incident should not decide this election.
PolecatMtn
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June 02, 2012
Wow. Wish I had gone. Every incumbent should be vigorously challenged. Remember getting chewed out when you were in the Service? Or by your Parents? Good for you in the end. That said I will continue to support Sheriff Garrison.
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